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reading citizens and welcome to unknown

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I'm Jason McClellan I'm here with my

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friend and colleague Shane herd and

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we're grateful to you for hanging out

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with us today Shane it's good to have

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you back on the show buddy have you been

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awesome and it's great to be here and I

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just heard that you completed one more

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revolution around our Sun that's what

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that's that's the rumors for sure

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happy birthday well thank you friend I

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appreciate that now I I'm too young to

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be depressed by my birthday's yet I know

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that's coming I'm creeping dangerously

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close to two four zero so so I don't

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know how I'll feel when that rolls

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around but you know I don't mind getting

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older I think older is better yeah and

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for me 40 wasn't bad 50 was the one that

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was a little hard to take but yeah you

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know now you're just making things up

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because I know you're only a couple

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years older than I am so nice to say but

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we can roll with that that can be our

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secret okay let's do it well so glad to

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have you here today we're gonna talk

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some UFOs of course because this is a

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UFO podcast and you know I love talking

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UFOs with you but we've now reached the

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end of 2018 and it sure has been an

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interesting year for the UFO community

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there's been endless excitement

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frustration discussion and speculation

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regarding recent and present-day

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government UFO studies and Shane you're

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someone who investigates UFOs not for

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the government but for MUFON the largest

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civilian UFO investigation organization

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in the world and when I say investigates

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UFOs that's exactly what I mean I mean

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conducting actual in the field

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investigations and that's so cool

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now I think more people have a general

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understanding of what's involved in

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ghost hunting because that's been

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portrayed on countless TV shows but walk

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us through what what it's like to you

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know conduct UFO investigations what's a

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real-life UFO investigation look like

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absolutely love to tell you about it

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you know it's interesting we when I when

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I first got into you know UFOs and kind

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of moved from consuming to wanting to

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participate I did look for something

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that was you know structured and and

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kind of had a sense of purpose and

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direction and you know MUFON really kind

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of fit that bill for me and you know I

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wanted to make sure that I chose Elena

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it was good for me but also that I could

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contribute and so investigating UFOs I

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mean that just sounds cool yeah right

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and it really is cool so you know I'm

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really loving it enjoying it a lot but

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I'll say you know the statistics that we

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hear how you know a certain percentage

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you know is explainable by the more

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mundane or prosaic things and then

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there's a smaller percentage that are

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true unknowns and those are the ones

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that we you know really get a kick out

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of and really focus on but I'll say for

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for MUFON you know I get in the Phoenix

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chapter here maybe 2 to 4 cases a month

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and a lot of them do fall in the

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category of like lights in the sky that

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kind of thing and then a percentage of

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them you know get a little more complex

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some of them even get pretty weird and

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so from that standpoint is just

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fascinating these are you know real

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people real things happening to them

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that they're you know willing to go on

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the record and share and so I really

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kind of hold that as quite a

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responsibility to to do them a good

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service in in you know handling their

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case well and also the fact that you

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know these become part of UFO history

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and it's recorded in in the MUFON

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database you know and there's a I think

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somewhere in the neighborhood of a

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hundred thousand cases and I just think

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that's so cool that you know we actually

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can become a part of history

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you know based on our experiences so

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when it comes to MUFON Case and how you

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go about investigating it you know

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there's certainly some you know steps

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and procedures and processes that you go

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through on each and every case but then

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cases required that you kind of diverge

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down one path or another because these

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case has you know different kinds of

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evidence you might have you know just

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eyewitness testimony or you may have

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that and photograph or video or you may

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have multiple witness testimony and then

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you might even in some cases these

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they're fewer of these cases but where

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you have like trace evidence and that

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kind of thing so you've got to be

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flexible in how you deal with those

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different types of information but most

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certainly you go through a process in

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the process it's largely like a process

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of elimination you you know you gather

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all of the facts that you've got from

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the report we try to interview every

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person that makes a report and then you

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go through the process of eliminating

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the more obvious things and those are

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things like planes and moons and you

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know spacecraft or or weather phenomena

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or you know astronomical stuff all of

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those things and so you know you do a

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lot of the investigation from your desk

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on your computer and you there's various

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websites that you you check for certain

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data and then you know you go through

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that process and then you know hopefully

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you get down to the fact that you know

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there's really no other explanation and

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this thing gets recorded as unknown and

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those are pretty fascinating so at about

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the 45 cases I've had I have about four

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or five that ultimately came up as

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unknown which you know it's about 210

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percent range which I think's fairly

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accurate right and even if there was

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just one that's incredibly exciting

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we've even dealt with some abduction

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cases and some that are even a little

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bit weirder than that which you know for

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me is kind of you know it's new and you

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know you know it's not the thing that I

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pursued let's say you know duction cases

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as much as just nuts and bolts sightings

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but it has forced me to you know grow on

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myself and to you know expand my mind

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you know I found just some of someone is

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just so interesting and the people as

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well so you know it's really you're just

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exposed to so much more and you know I

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really appreciate being a part of it and

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I imagine that's one of the more

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challenging aspects is you know

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something like the abduction phenomenon

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something that you know might not

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necessarily be your focus area or

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something that you spend much time in

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this larger UFO field focusing on so

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when you have to deal with something

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like that I imagine it's one of your

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more challenging issues to sort of deal

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with those with the the people making

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the claims the allegations and just

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keeping that open mind and truly

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listening to what they have to say

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yeah and thankfully MUFON is you know

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has done a great job given we the

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investigators information to work with

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and help us so we have an investigation

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manual and it has you know chapters on

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that range from you know handling

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materials to you know abduction cases

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and you know sort of the questions you

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would ask people on you know just things

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like that so I didn't feel you know left

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in the lurch with it

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definitely had good support and backup

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but it did force me to think outside of

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my box and I'm really grateful that I've

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done it because it has helped me grow

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that's awesome yeah and I think you know

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from talking to you I think you have a

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really you know commendable and

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sought-after mindset approaching these

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topics because I can't stress enough how

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important it is and it seems like a

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no-brainer but how important it is for

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an investigator looking into the unknown

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to mister mysteries like UFOs and

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related topics to be objective to keep

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an open mind and not bring in your

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already established few points because

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we all you know when it comes to UFOs we

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all have our different personal beliefs

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our own different views on various

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topics and I think for being a is that

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someone who is investigating this you

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you have to put all that aside and

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let the evidence speak for itself yeah

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absolutely like I said I really feel a

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great responsibility to do it in as an

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unbiased way as possible and so

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everybody has biases right because you

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know it's just the way we are lens yeah

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yeah for humans definitely but you can

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set that aside and so like you know I

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think of myself in some areas I might be

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too skeptical or maybe in some areas

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being too believing or whatever well

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both of those are a bias even though

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they're on the opposite sides of the

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scale so you know I try and just

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mentally go in with a complete neutral

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clean slate and just look at the

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evidence as it is presented and you know

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kind of go through the checklist of

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things and you know I don't formulate an

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opinion until the very end and and I've

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learned if you do that what can happen

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is you can miss important information or

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details that maybe you dismiss because

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they didn't fit your bias and yet that

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were relative and so again you could be

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doing so in quite a disservice by doing

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that so I it is a challenge but to me

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it's just the primary mindset to have is

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just be completely unbiased and as

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neutral as possible that's a great

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mindset I love it so let me ask you this

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for people who are interested in

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becoming UFO investigators for MUFON how

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what is the process like for that how do

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people become with on investigators yeah

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it's pretty straightforward first of all

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join MUFON at you know they have

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different packages it's fairly

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inexpensive you know 35 dollars a year

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to maybe 75 I'm not quite sure up on the

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on the different levels but and it just

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as a member you're entitled to you know

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a newsletter and some other things that

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kind of help you you know get what the

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program kind of a thing and then once

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you've done that you can express your

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desire to be an investigator

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headquarters will you can send them a

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message and they'll send you the

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information but basically you purchase a

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manual which is a hundred bucks and that

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manuals

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you'll carry with you the rest of your

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life basically and then you study that

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manual and then you'll take a test and

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an exam online it's open book it's a

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couple hours and then once you complete

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and successfully pass that you also have

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to pass a background check and you have

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to coordinate with your state your local

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state chapter and this really is the

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person the director the state director

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is a person who will kind of manage you

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and get you up and going so again you

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you have support and it's coordinated

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effort and then once you've done that

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and you get your identification and you

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passed your background check and

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everything is set that way then what the

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local chapter will do is pair you with a

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mentor another experienced investigator

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and then they'll send you out on cases

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um you know maybe you know six eight

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months or it just depends on your you

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know the the volume and your development

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and all those things but you will Co

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investigate with an experienced person

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until they feel like you're up and

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running on your own and then they'll

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start assigning your cases on your own

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so in my case I've been doing it about

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two years you know in about three or

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four months maybe you know four to six

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cases and then they went ahead and

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turned me loose and and then even though

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you're turned loose like I say in

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assigned cases you're never alone every

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case it once you complete your case and

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submit it it's reviewed by your

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Cheapskate chief investigator in our

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case it's Dennis friar meth and he's

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just excellent and you know he'll he'll

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coach you you know help you correct you

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you can ask any question anytime very

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supportive and and as well as as Jim

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Mann instance Stacey Wright our director

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and assistant director and then just

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other investigators that you get

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familiar with and you kind of bounce

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things off each other and you know it's

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just really it's it's a it's a great

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environment it's intellectually

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stimulating and there's even a social

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element to it that or you know you have

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a good camaraderie and all of that

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within our one within our chapter so you

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know I recommend it

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if you're interested just do it that's

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what I did that collaborative spirit and

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the sort of mentorship and the shadowing

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ability sounds really cool and you

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really useful to be able to gain that

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experience from other people who have

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been doing it move on also does a boot

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camp don't they to provide training for

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investigators yeah this year we had it

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here in Phoenix I was a three-day Advent

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each day had a half-day of classroom and

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then the second half of the day was in

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the field investigation techniques like

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you know processing a site kind of a

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forensic way and then we had like Sky

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View watch out in the Superstition

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Mountains those nights after and and

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again that was just an awesome

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experience because you you know you get

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to collaborate with people from all over

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the country in the world actually we had

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people from all over

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chase klasky came in and she conducted

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not that field training which was just

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so in so valuable I mean to have that

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experience just once even it's just you

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know a real goldmine for someone like me

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where you can apply these techniques and

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just make yourself a better investigator

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so that was a terrific experience and it

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was so successful that I think the

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national MUFON is considering putting

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those on either in various locations and

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and on an annual basis so we'll see how

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that turns out but nice we had a great

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time that's awesome

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alright so you've sort of walked us

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through you know an overview of what

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it's like to investigate UFOs or how

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move on does it so you know like I

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mentioned we've we've been hearing a lot

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about government UFO studies so opinion

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time I'm going to ask you you are

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persons will appear in opinion how do

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you think government UFO studies differ

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from something like MUFON UFO

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investigations yeah so I think the first

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thing I would have to say is that you

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know we're we're definitely structured

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in a way to move you know a report from

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you know just a raw report to a

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disposition so let's say for example

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you know we get a case and it's a

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sighting of a craft you know so let's

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say it's a daylight sighting of a craft

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and the person got a photograph of it

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and they submit that report so then we

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go through the process of you know date

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time location and what were the weather

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conditions I mean you know very detailed

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what was the temperature whoa what was

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the wind direction the speed what's what

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was the barometer I mean you know you

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just go through all of these factors and

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then other factors like when you do know

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the date time location you can use

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software that tells you where the

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planets are and the stars are and

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everything at that exact moment

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you can even recreate it digitally and

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make a little video of it you know you

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make good use of Google Earth for

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example and so then you kind of you nail

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down that data and then you have a

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conversation certainly an interview with

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the person and you try and get as much

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detail as possible while the report is

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fairly detailed certainly having

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conversation teases out a lot a lot more

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stuff so that's a really important part

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of the process and then you know I'll do

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things like I called a local military

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base the police departments you know

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that the news channels look at you know

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local news national news look for other

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reports check new fork API these other

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reporting organizations to see if anyone

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else made a report and if they did then

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you could contact that person and that

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witness and then you can corroborate you

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know and build strength of the case and

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that sort of thing so it's a fairly

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involved process it takes maybe I mean

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for the more simple one might take two

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to four six hours of research for more

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complex and it could take you you know

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20 hours or more of research and that's

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that's even just kind of desk time and

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then if you have a case that justifies

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you know a visit then you go out and you

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you you do that and you conduct the

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visit and so you know there's a pretty

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good investment in time and effort and

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some money but it's it's manageable now

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from a government perspective you know

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I'm sure

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it's going to be you know they they will

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have more of an agenda and I don't mean

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that to sound negative they they they

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have a purpose and you know obviously

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when they investigate they investigate

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from the perspective is can we identify

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this to make sure it's not a a threat or

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you know if not a physical threat is

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that a political threat is it you know

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the threat of panic or any of those

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sorts of things that's their perspective

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where MUFON is perspective is just

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gather the data analyze that data come

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to a disposition and when I say

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disposition I mean either unknown or is

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it you know an IFO is it you know was it

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a drone was a you know planet being a

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small of all those kinds of things so so

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really MUFON is role is to collect the

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data analyze that data come up with a

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disposition record that and make that

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available to others who want to research

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the topic whereas a government program

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really is from the perspective they

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might go through the same steps I'm sure

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that they would investigatively speaking

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but their their agenda is different

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they're not looking to make it public

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and share it with others they're looking

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to you know assure that they're

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fulfilling their role as that government

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agency namely to protect you know the

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public right well it'll certainly be

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interesting to see what more we learn

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about any existing government UFO study

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as government UFO studies are sure to

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continue B to be a topic of discussion

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in 2019 we're quite aware of the

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government's historical UFO studies and

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on that topic Shan you and I both

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attended a special screening of the

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first episode of history's upcoming

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dramatic series Project Blue Book so I

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have to ask what were your impressions

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after seeing that oh that was first of

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all that was just plain plain fun it was

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great it was up theater yeah and and

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they had a Q&A after they also had this

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little machine there where you could get

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in front of a green screen and they they

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took your picture and superimposed it

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with that you know like getting sucked

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up in a thank you fo so yeah it was

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pretty cute it was fun

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oh the the the program itself I think is

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just terrific they they really hit the

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nail on the head with you know UFO lore

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and the factual representation of you

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know Project Blue Book and some of those

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cases now I know this is you know this

483
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is a drama and it's fictional but it is

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based on you know actual events so you

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have to go into it with that mindset

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this is a this is entertainment right

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not not a documentary but you know the

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fact that there's is entertainment based

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on the UFO theme to me is awesome I mean

490
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look how we're getting mainstream now

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what was a fringe and you know you kind

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of had to hide it now now it's you know

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it's on the History Channel and it's on

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all those channels and and that they've

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done a great job with it it's kind of a

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period piece

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you can tell they spent the money on

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production it's super high quality yeah

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I mean I am really stoked for it I am

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too and I you know I tell people it it

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really appeals to the same crowd is like

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the x-files you know if you like to show

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like the x-files you'll like this it's

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the same thing it's it's like a period

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piece x-files yeah but it it is so well

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shot and produced the acting is great I

507
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just had so much fun with it and just

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being a UFO nerd like it is so much fun

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to see them taking something real like

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Project Blue Book having a lot of based

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on real elements in that story having

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characters based on real people involved

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in the UFO studies

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it's just endlessly fun for me so I

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thought for the first episode was

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awesome and it left me wanting to see

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all of it so I'm super excited for that

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it premieres on History Channel on

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January 8th so it's right around the

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corner yeah that's gonna be great when

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you think about it you know as you

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mentioned the production is fantastic

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the writing was good and just think if

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you're a writer on this show you have

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twelve thousand six hundred and some-odd

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cases you

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to pull from to you know create an

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episode so this thing could run for

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years really well he's an alone and then

530
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Paul high-neck you know J Allen Hynek

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son that's an endless source of

532
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information to so having that element

533
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added to the show that features the main

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main character based on jaylen high neck

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it's incredible so I think they've got a

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lot of the right pieces of the puzzle

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they're together so it'll be interesting

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to see what they do I think I think

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season one for sure is going to be

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amazing

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and I am guessing it's going to be

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successful enough for season two we'll

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see what they do after that but because

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you can't you can't make more project

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Bluebook as a finite length of time but

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yeah we'll see what they do well as 2018

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comes to a close we're excited for 2019

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we have several things in the work for

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next year and speaking about unknown

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specifically our 2019 season will

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feature some brand new open and closed

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music so we'll look forward to that

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let's wrap up this episode I invite you

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to come join us in the rogue planet

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engage in a real conversation we always

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love hearing from you guys and we really

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want to hear from you to know what

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topics that interest you and the

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questions you might have

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find this show at rogue planet TV rogue

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planet TV thanks again for hanging out

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with us today I'm Jason McClellan and

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Shane hurt and I have something to ask

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do us a favour friends have a very happy

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new year and most importantly stay

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